Friday, January 22, 2010

The Downfall of the Two Party System

I intially started this as a response to Weir's comment about the difference in Congressional voting patterns between Republicans and Democrats, but as is so often the case I found that I had more to say about it then I first realized and thought it deserved to be a topic in it's own right.

I believe that we are currently witnessing the downfall of the two-party system. To be sure, it will be a slow, painful, agonizing death but I think that we've seen the cracks in the foundation already and those cracks will just widen given time. Allow me to elaborate.

The fundamental weakness of the two-party system is, unsurprisingly, its binary nature. Outside of the primaries, you don't get a diverse range of choices on the issues. You don't like candidate A or candidate B's position on a particular issue? Tough luck; pick one. This can be overcome when the system is functioning at its best, and that's when there is a semi-clear line of demarcation between the two parties that occurs at or near the center of the political spectrum. In that scenario it's fairly clear what each party stands for and when you elect more members of one party you can have a reasonable expectation of their priorities and you can also expect that they will more or less vote together. But the fundamental flaw which cannot be overcome in this system is that you have no good method of registering discontent with the ruling party other than to vote for the other side. That often leaves the electorate in the awkward position of voting for someone they don't ideologically agree with, just because they're fed up with what the current party has been offering. And small wonder that these voters are fickle and will abandon you the first chance they get; they never agreed with you in the first place!

But the real breakdown occurs when one party, rather than being spread throughout their half of the political spectrum, becomes ideologically clustered around the last 20% of it (as the Republicans have). Then, by definition, the other party is left to cover the remaining 80%. That might seem like a good thing for the party with the wider base, but it actually becomes a huge hindrance. You've got somebody who is 10 "points" right of center in the same party with someone who is all the way left. At that point the question becomes less "why can't you two stay together on an issue?" and more "why the hell are the two of you in the same party?"

Here's the other problem. The Democrats don't actually cover the remaining 80% of the spectrum abdicated by the Republicans. At heart, most Democrats are left of center. So they move to the right to try and fill the void left by the Republicans but they're not going to go all the way to 30 "points" right of center. I'd say they're probably only going about half that far - to about 15, but let's not get hung up on the numbers since they're pretty arbitrary anyway. The point is that you've now got a fairly sizeable gap in ideology between the two parties and that's a huge problem. When the two parties each inhabit an entire half of the political spectrum, the members in the middle aren't too far apart, no matter which party they belong to. That makes compromise feaible and, since they are by definition compromises by centrists, they tend to be pretty good ones. But now that you've got a gap in ideologies between the parties - forget it. It might as well be a chasm as far as compromise is concerned.

So the result is depressingly logical: complete gridlock when the Democrats are in charge and lots and lots of legislation that the majority of the country disagrees with when the Republicans are in charge. Taken in this context, it makes all the sense in the world that the period of our greatest prosperity (recently) occurred when we had a Democratic president with a Republican congress (94 - 2000). We avoided the gridlock of the Democratic congress while at the same time the Republicans were forced to come back towards the center to avoid a veto.

So is this unavoidable? I don't think so, but it will take a lot of time and, most importantly, a lot of courage from a small group of people (but then again isn't that the recipe for most major changes?). I used to think that the Republicans would be the ones splintering. That the fiscal conservatives would disassociate themselves from the religious fundamentalists and return to the center. I think they had a chance to do that, but that ship has now sailed. They realize that their base, while extremely passionate, is small and thus abandoning the party for the center would most likely just lead to political obscurity. Some (like Bob Barr) went to the Libertarian party and political obscurity was indeed the result (unless you consider .4% of the vote in the 2008 Presidential election to be "relevant"). Others (like Jim Webb) flipped and joined the Democratic party. But most just shuffled to the right along with their colleagues.

So what about a new 3rd party springing to national prominence? I just don't see it happening. Perot had a chance to do it in the early 90s but he was only interested in getting himself elected; the creation of a viable 3rd-party alternative was not on his agenda. Nader's Green Party? I don't think they'll ever have mass appeal, even among the left. Libertarians? There was a time when I'd like to have thought that but then something changed. I went to one of their meetings and they are just an incoherent mess. The Economist hit it right on the head when they said that they can basically be put into two groups: anarchists and drug decriminalization advocates. Hardly a platform with mass appeal.

So, yes, that leaves the Democrats as the most likely to fracture, and I'll give you a script for how it might happen. They lose power in either 2010 or 2012. The Republicans then proceed to pass a lot more legislation that is horribly unpopular. At some point they probably get us involved in another war too. The people once again get fed up with them and give the Democrats another go. The Dems take control and all the same gridlock happens again. The electorate is fed up with them yet again, but they also still remember that the Republicans haven't done anything they agree with for a long time. So then the key will be that a small group of important and popular Democrats have to get fed up as well. And it would probably have to be a group of either just retired or those thinking about retiring who don't have a whole lot to lose. It would be a big risk but if you got enough people to jump at once and enough momentum you could basically have a microcosm of how Obama overtook Hillary in the primaries. If you are able to move people from "well that's nice, but it'll never happen" to "wow, there might really be something here" you can do anything.

Hey, I can dream can't I?

11 comments:

Becky said...

Yes, please. We needed a third party, like yesterday.

Laura said...

I totally agree with you, but I wonder if after so many years of both parties migrating to the extremes, all the centrists have just given up. I know I have. I've gotten so used to choosing the Least Horrible of the candidates, that I don't even dare to dream about a candidate that I might actually agree with.

sloth15 said...

I like your final scenario there, but it also kind of relies on "but they also still remember that the Republicans haven't done anything they agree with for a long time."

In general, I don't think people remember that much or far back (even if it is only 2, 4, or 8 years.)

The element you fail to mention here is depressingly - money. Idealists don't tend to be very wealthy, and the very wealthy don't tend to be all that altruistic. So supporting a party or candidate financially while they have little or no viable shot at election falls to grassroots type organizations, and while small donation internet fund raising has become a viable revenue stream, for a 3rd party candidate it would pale in comparison to the 2 major parties.

Little bit of a catch-22 in that you need money to win, but can't get money until you win.

Ironically, I've been raging for a day and a half about the recent Supreme Court ruling being awful, but it could, in theory, be the only way a 3rd party candidate could get the financial support needed to make a serious run at a major position.
(Also, I feel the need to point out that this [ruling = bad] is the first thing politically that Mike and I have agreed on in quite some time.)

Mike said...

Yes, it's true... Weir and I agree on the disastrous Supreme Court decision. Corporations already had a free voice, and it was the voice of its employees, management staff, and shareholders. What the Supreme Court has now done, is to effectively muzzle the free voice of everyone else with unlimited cash contributions.

Yeah, off topic. Sorry.

john said...

And of course, since we can't possibly all agree on something, I disagree with both of you.

Now, to be sure, I think that it's a decision that will have very negative repercussions and is very bad for democracy. But I still think it's the correct decision.

Every time you watch a commercial, you are seeing a large corporation present a biased, one-sided argument that attempts to persuade you to do something that they have a vested interest in. Why should it matter that the message is "Buy Tide" instead of "Vote No on Prop X"? The same rules should apply: you're not allowed to present something false or grossly misleading (akin to false advertising) and there needs to be greater transparency so it's clear who is presenting the message. Otherwise, how is it not censorship?

The reason it's bad, to boil it down to its most basic form, is that too many dumb/uninformed people are going to be persuaded. But dumb/uninformed people have always been the downfall of democracy, and I've always rejected legislating things in the vein of "save us from ourselves".

Mike said...

Well, then I propose a new preamble to the constitution...

"We The People, and the Lobbyists, and the Corporations, And the Labor Unions, and the Special Interest Groups, and anyone with the most money and influence..."

If it were truly a wise and good decision, then corporations would have the same financial contribution limits as individuals.

It's bad law, John. First, there's no parity between the financial contributions of a corporation and an individual. Second, even though corporations enjoy some of the same benefits as an individual, the are not the same legally or otherwise.

We can discuss the case law further, but I don't think it will be of much interest to the other readers.

john said...

You seem to imply that your new preamble was not applicable two weeks ago. Are you trying to tell me that you don't think lobbyists, special interest groups, corporations, and unions had a lot of political power before last week?

Help me reconcile these two sentences:

"If it were truly a wise and good decision, then corporations would have the same financial contribution limits as individuals."

"even though corporations enjoy some of the same benefits as an individual, the are not the same legally or otherwise."

So, to rephrase, corporations should have the same limits as individuals, because they are not at all the same. Huh?

Well actually I agree that corporations should have the same contribution limits as individuals. That is to say, there should be no limits for either.

And I do disagree with some of the rationale behind the decision: in particular, I don't think corporations are entitled to 1st Amendment rights. But I still agree with the decision because, again, I think it's an issue of consistency. We don't limit how much a company can advertise their products. Wal-Mart has the money and power to out-advertise and undersell any mom and pop store. Yet we don't feel compelled to limit their spending because they can exhibit undue influence over the market. To me it seems like until last week we've consistently told companies that they can spend as much money as they want to advertise and support anything they want with two exceptions: tobacco and politics. So I think the real question now is how can we continue to ban tobacco advertising on television in light of this decision?

Mike said...

Perhaps I wasn't clear in the construction of my thoughts. You can reconcile it with the next comment that it's bad law.

It's contradictory, and that's one of the things that makes it bad. I get what they were trying to do with the decision... they were trying to give individual rights to a non individual entity. But if they were REALLY going to do that, they should have leveled the field across the board. However, you CAN'T do that, precisely because it is a non individual entity, and that has been established for over 200 years of legal precedent and history.

I hope that clears up my previous thoughts for you. If not, let me know.

Mike said...

btw, here's a thought... How about we don't limit and make it a criminal act to GIVE money in any amount to a politician. How about we make it a criminal act to ACCEPT money from a corporation over a certain amount.

Just spit-balling ideas here. At the very least, full and complete disclosure of contributions and sources should continue. I can see that being the next shoe to drop. Free speech, followed by right to privacy. Hmmmmm.

sloth15 said...

Money is not speech.
(I think I'll put that at the beginning of every post.)

I don't know what you were trying to say with your last post Mike, the ruling wasn't about contributions specifically, but for a corporation to fund an advertisement OUTSIDE of the political process.

For instance, producing a "Vote Palin" commercial, funded by NRA, and then the NRA buys commercial airtime from the networks for every commercial between now and 2012. (Or insert Obama/Hollywood.) The candidate has nothing to do with the commercial.

As I understood the ruling, Corporate donations to candidates would still be capped.
(Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

Also, I've been trying to word a post for 2 days saying something like "In this case the constitution is arcane and can't possibly be used to govern modern communications." but I haven't been able to do it without feeling dirty for wanting to shirk the constitution.

sloth15 said...

Forgive the HuffPo Link but if you've got 66 minutes be sure to give this a look. It is Obama going to a Republican retreat in Baltimore yesterday (Friday) and doing a Q&A with them.
Nothing but the video and a transcript, so it is nothing but the facts.

Wow. I've heard, and seen tape, on the British PM going and having to do a rapid Q&A and that it gets heated and whatnot, but this was fun. If you read the huffpo article on it they say that Republican officials were very unhappy that they agreed to let cameras in there and that it looked bad (but that is biased, so take it how you will.)

He's funny at times, scolding at others, and conciliatory at others.

I especially like what he has to say about people from both sides positioning themselves not to help people, but for a better soundbyte to use come november. That we can't demonize the other side so much that it becomes impossible to work with them. Towards the end he gets a question from Peter Roskum and Obama comments that a friend of theirs from Illinois who they worked with is now running for Governor in the Republican primary and is getting hammered by ads quoting him praising Obama (I've seen them.)

Just a good watch if you've got the time, with a bunch of good policy stuff in there too.